In this episode of The Best 5 Minute Wine Podcast, Ian Cauble delves into the complexities of wine quality metrics within European appellations compared to American wine regulations. He discusses the significance of knowing the source of your wine and how counterfeiting remains a prevalent issue in the world of wine, olive oil, and other products.
Ian shares a memorable story about enjoying wine in unexpected places, including a dinghy off the coast of Sicily while navigating the challenges of pouring wine amidst choppy waters. His experiences highlight the joys of wine, the importance of quality sourcing, and the unique moments that come from enjoying great wine in extraordinary settings.
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Welcome, welcome to the Best 5-Minute Wine Podcast with Forrest Kelly.
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Similar is happening with Italy within DOC and DOCG. There's different quality metrics.
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There's different quality metrics within the VDP within Germany to produce different wines,
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in particular Pinot Noir, et cetera. So if you know and you pick up a bottle and it says certain
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things, you know that there's a maximum yield. There's a certain type of farming approach.
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There's winemaking. It has to be a specific way. There's a lot of rules within each appellation.
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America doesn't really have that. So if you make wine in Napa, you can pretty much make any wine
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you want, however you want it. You just have to make sure you accurately tell people the alcohol
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and put a certain general warning on the back. But that's one thing I love about Europe is they're
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very particular about their products. And if you buy a piece type of cheese, like Parmigiano-Reggiano,
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it's coming from a particular place, from particular cows, aged in the right way,
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and you know you're getting... If you buy Parmigiano-Reggiano, you know you're getting
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a specific product and it's protected. And people will prosecute anybody who makes Parmesan
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outside of that area is going to go to jail for basically counterfeiting something.
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We should do that with olive oil.
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Yeah, people try to counterfeit wine too. People will put... They'll take a bottle of Bordeaux
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and put wine from Spain in it. And people sell it in a given country in Asia. And people are
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drinking Spanish wine that they think is Bordeaux, for example. But counterfeiting happens all over
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the world every year. Honey is a big deal. Olive oil is a big deal. Wine from North Africa will
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be bottled as Italian olive oil, as you know. And it's still good. I mean, Tunisia makes some
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of the best olive oil in the world, but it's not Italian. You know, nobody wants to buy Tunisian
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olive oil that doesn't know it. People want Italian olive oil. So yeah, it's an interesting
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world out there. But that's why knowing your source and where to buy it and having a trusted
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vendor and a trusted professional, that's why people trust me is because they know that I'm
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buying from the source. And you know, if you're buying olive oil and you want to get some great
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stuff, you have to make sure your vendor is vetted. Okay, this one is your hand. Your right
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hand is on the Somalia Bible. Have you ever, out of habit, picked up a glass of water and started
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swirling it? I have. Absolutely. Of course, who hasn't? Yeah, I mean, yeah, anytime I'll have a
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glass. But usually when I'm drinking water out of a wine glass, and I just like start swirling it,
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I'm like, what am I doing? You know, what am I doing with my life? You know, and you know,
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but it is what it is. I mean, you know, but I do like water out of a wine glass. I think if you
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have really good water, like good, good water, there's water is a big deal. I mean, you pour
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water out of the out of the tap in California, a lot of it smells like chlorine. But if you have
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really good water, this can really can really be amazing. I mean, there's I was just up in
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where was I, I was up in the mountains of Japan, and the water was so good. I was at a place called
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the Takaragawa Onsen, one of the most famous spas in the world. Takaragawa Onsen, if you actually
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look it up, it's beautiful. It's like you're in these 110 degree waters soaking along the river
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in the mountains outside between Niigata. And where the Olympics were in 98, I believe 98 or
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96. And it was like close to Nagano, I believe. And the water there would just tasted like it
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just melted off of a glacier. And it was like, so, you know, there's something like water sommeliers
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exist. There's, you know, 1000s of different waters that are bottled around the world.
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And some of them are really good. One of my favorites is a Mexican one called Agua de Piedra.
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That comes from Mexico. Sparkling water, super mineral. Yeah, there's one in Barcelona. I'm
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forgetting the name. Vichy Catalan. That's right. Vichy Catalan. V-I-C-H-Y-C-A-T-A-L-A-N.
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Trader Joe's is actually selling it now. It's about $4 for a liter sparkling. And it's so
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good. You just have that right out of the refrigerator. And it's, you know, water becomes
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very entertaining when you when it gets very good. I mean, because it all has different minerals and
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textures and bubbles and, you know, water out of the faucet isn't so great.
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But what's the strangest or most unexpected place you've ever opened a great bottle of wine?
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Strangest or most unexpected place?
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Unexpected place. I would say like in a dinghy off of an island off the north of Sicily.
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You know, you're just, you know, bumping around. You can barely even,
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you know, sit in the boat. You're almost getting thrown off and you have to like,
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sit down and barely pour your friend some sparkling or actually not sparkling,
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some Malvasia from Salina. S-A-L-I-N-A. It's actually one of the wines we have in our store.
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Caravaglio. He's like the caper king of Salina, which is a movie called El Postino,
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which was filmed there. We just took this small dinghy on a trip around the island.
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And he became pretty precarious very quickly with five foot waves. And I had my new daughter and
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we're trying to drink some wines and, you know, and you're like, oh, let's just bring a bottle
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of wine out there. And next thing you know, you know, you spill half of it, you know, and,
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you know, half of it's on my, half of it's on my daughter's clothes, which I'm holding. And,
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you know, you're just getting pounded around in the middle of the ocean as you look at
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Stromboli, which is a erupting volcano out in the distance and, you know, life experiences.
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But, you know, I don't know if I could think of any more strange place to open a bottle of wine.
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